For anyone that has or currently work for

[CRYSTAL_GLASSES]

I really dont mean to SOUND RUDE, its just that people like jamjam are really causing a bunch of drama over what THEY see as some injustice, and soon the companies will just say oh well....you can work at a facility in some such city and state and no one will be home workers anymore due to this drama.....and I am VERY VERY polite and respectful to ALL of the customers that call in no matter HOW rude they may act to me at times, but on this forum I THOUGHT I HAD AN OPINION TOO!! WHOOPS!!!

And...about the SET schedule.......WE are the ones who say...I CAN WORK from (example) 2pm - 10 pm est or 1pm -5pm and 8pm -11pm or whatever.....and then the computer actually puts out a schedule for the workers that are available, the hours available etc, if we were to all say well I dunno when I can work, HOW IN THE WORLD WOULD THEY KNOW WHO IS WORKING WHEN??
And then if lets sy only 1 or 2 people show up, how can that person handle all the calls that are coming in? Then the customers would all be put in ques, and then VL would LOSE the CONTRACT for thos ecompanies, that NEED their calls verified...and then there would be no company and NO JOBS!!!

How can anyone?? I mean ANYONE expect to come and go as they please??

I just DONT UNDERSTAND THAT LINE OF THOUGHT!

Originally Posted by malibuchick78

WOW crystal glasses......would not want to have you answer my calls! lol. I think the whole IC thing should be on a schedule we set-not what someone else sets. JMO i know....I mean i read everything about being IC versus being an employee. But Jam Jam, what is the deal? WHy are you so upset about this job/company/position? they were upfront about everything i though. Just curious jam jam. I mean if your not happy with what they offer why take the job? or why complain they offer nothing. the only way u might work at home w/benefits if you work for some personal company or something


and shame on those you jumped down your throat, we are all here for one another, not to cut each others throats!

And i Agree with Raquel, there are some advantages and disadvatages to working at home. something to defintely consider when choosing who to work for as well.
good night!

[CRYSTAL_GLASSES]

As I stated earlier , I dont mean to sound rude, its just that you sound like you are on your high horse, and I dont wanna lose MY JOB over YOUR ISSUES!! Know what I mean? And ignore me all you want, Ive never sent you a pm, only messages in open forum, I can express myself, I didnt curse at you or call you names or nanny nanny boo boo, I am stating what I believe...Thanks for the option....

And hey, I agree about the hospitalization thing, Im not covered either, BUT you can speak with the Hospital and sometimes if you are in the POVERTY level which you probobly are, I am not being mean, I am there too..........then they can absorb those charges, and they will do that, I go to a clinic to see a DR based on my income, (luckily there is one near me, not all people have that option) and I see them for 5$ a visit, 5$ for each blood test, 5$ for each thing they do for me, and I am daggone lucky ...I get my High Blood Pressure meds for 10$ for a 3 month supply and without them, Id be in danger of stroke, heart attack or death so, I am greatful, believe me I am veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy greatful!

And Im sorry if I sounded mean, I am just in fear of losing my own job and being n a worse situation than I allready am, thats all.
Id be up a creek without a paddle without this job, and to go find a new one now......man, it takes a month to get a paycheck and its usually for a weeks worth of work, so there goes gas $$ at 3$ + a gallon etc....
So yah, Im a bit stressed over this stuff.........

Originally Posted by jamjam

I'm just wondering why this chick is being so got damn rude to me, when I'm only saying and doing something about what it owed to me. If you like your job and the way you are treated, then don't file the SS-8. But there are people that do want to do something about whats going on.

If the company is legit then the IRS won't find them guilty, if they're not then it should be something done about it. I can't stand people that whine about losing their $8 per hour jobs, damn. I simply gave the information for those that were interested.

It doesn't even have to be with this company, but with ANY company. A lot people aren't aware of the SS-8 or that it's something that can do to be heard about the mistreatment of employees. But all this rude and bashing is extremely uncalled for. I will now be putting Crystal Glasses on permanate ignore.

[tlr023]

Jam-Jam honestly I do understand what you are saying but understand this these jobs are a choice not a sentence and for many a solution to a major problem in their life. How do I bring in income without paying an arm and a leg for childcare and my child calling the daycare worker "momma". Believe me I believe in fighting for justice but on this one you must understand that their nothing to fight. We can't force them to pay benefits and take out taxes when we signed contracts stating that we were aware and accept this fact. You could take that to the Supreme Court and you wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Those of us who found these jobs and LOVE IT because of its flexibility do not want someone to mess it up because they are fighting the unfightable battle, ON THIS ONE! JamJam just save it for a real injustice thats all I'm saying. I'm a single mother who was trying to live on a teacher's salary with a house. I need jobs such as this one and I have a TEENAGER who I dare not leave alone for long periods of time to go work some outside job to make the ends meet. Ya know!! These jobs are heaven.

[malibuchick78]

Please dont think i was trying to add heat to the fire!

lol

no I mean we all do what we can do for our familys. maybe looking for other opportunities while with the position you have would be better. there are many diff places/ops out there. maybe you can find one more suitable. But none of the places i ahve seen offer any ins or anything. you would prob have to purchase your own. look on the internet and see what you can find. also-if income is not hat much for you seek help from your state (food stamps etc) we al do what we have to do to survive.

I do not feel that there is any thing that can be done with getting lawyers after this company. how you gonna pay for that? and secondly if any lawsuit were possibly you might put others out of work for a job they like.

Keep looking for other positions. I work with w*ll*w and i do w*lgr**ns right now. i can pick my hours and everything. i make my own schedule. maybe you really need to find a company to accomodate your needs better for your schedule. there are some opps thet pay TT and sales incentives etc....u just gotta keep looking. offer your services to local businesses or what not (depending on what you can do) to offer working for them at home and maybe you can get a business to hire you and provide ins as well

good luck to you all.

[jamjam]

Thanks Malibu!!! But I don't want you to get me wrong. First off, it's not my intentions to file a lawsuit or anything. It's not even necessary, the IRS will determine if there is a miscalssification of employees/contractors. It's that simple. Any company that is found to misclassify there workers will have to pay steep penalities as well as back taxes into all of the workers tax accounts. So I'm not trying to file a lawsuit or anything.

Secondly, I'm happy with the company and what I do. But when someone is wrong about something, they're wrong. I'm not hurting for any money or anything I have 2 jobs from home including Voice Log. I work Voice Log full-time and Working Solutions part-time. I also have 2 little extra income things that I do like US Monitor and Key For Cash. So I'm doing alright finacially.

Everything well be alright. For those that feel so strongly against what I'm doing, for those that have their feet planted firmly supporting this company let the best person conquer. Surely people aren't trying to support a company that is breaking the law.

[malibuchick78]

well good luck with your ventures.(not being sarcastic) to each his own. maybe this will pose an issue of set shcedules versus pick ur own ...

[busymother207]

Hi All I was reading the posts here and just wanted to add, as IC's you can take off the expenses phone, computers, and even a part of your home for use of a computer room or that for your business on taxes, so there is the reimbursement part.
As far as us having benefits, I find it a benefit to at least work at home, and be able to schedule my job and take a vacation and/or other time off as needed when I want to.. Yah granted some of the IC's places want you to work only the scheduled hours they post and such, but so be it, work the sched. hours needed or that, and work your appts and such around it. Also depending on the state you are in... there is help with the gov't for medical bills you cannot afford to pay.. as far as medical and dental insurance goes, it is hard for anyone to afford this even a working person outside the home..but at gas going up to 3.00 gal and some areas 4.00 gal.. and daycare in Maine is non existent here now with all the closures of jobs and we don;t have work in our area to speak of, outside the home, I rather just be at home working for a living... no commute and no worries.. no daycare.. having to dress up and do a 9-5 outside the home.. but on medical bills there is help for that out there.. you just have to ask around and find it..
But as far as some of us being employees, if they don't remove taxes i don't see how we can be.. and yes we do have schedules to follow but it is best to do that then everyone on the 1pm shift and no one on the 1a shift, a matter of organization and balance.. it is nice to be informed of this and yes it can go with any company out there, but there are loopholes and stipulations too with the IRS and most companies that can still make us IC's rather then employees.. when it comes right down to the nitty gritty of things..
that is just my 2 cents on the whole topic..
again, JamJam thank you for the information. but trust me most companies they will have a loophole someplace, to keep the IRS from saying that we are employees... whether they pay hourly or by the time on the call, if they are not removing taxes, they consider you a self employed person bottom line..
i know cuz my hubby in same situation with his company outside the home, he was an IC and had a schedule daily and worked till the job was done, and they removed no taxes, but.. removed child support... yet he was an IC go figure.. that one

[rctalmom]

I think you might come out better working from vs. working outside the home. Here is a little calculating I done. Hope this helps for you

Let's say you find a wah job making $8 an hour.

All information is based on my sate



WAH Job vs. Outside the home Job

Pay: $8 hr

Expenses:

WAH Gas: $0

Out side the home Job Gas: $3840 for the year $80 wk


WAH Cloths: $0

Out side the home Cloths: $1200 a yr ($100 month)


WAH Lunch: $0

Outside the home Lunch: $2400 a yr (at $10 a day for 5 days)


WAH Child Care: $0

Outside the home Child Care: $3840 a yr based on $80 a wk 1 child


WAH EOY Total take home: $ 15,360

OUtside the home EOY Total take home: $4,080


WAH EOY Total after taxes: $11,980.80


Outside the home EOY Total after taxes: $1,141.92


WAH EOY for taxes is based on 22% from each check.

Outside the home EOY for taxes is based on after taxes
bringing home $258.79 per wk

[scott25801]

Nothing wrong with someone trying to improve their situation.

I'm sure West (who I work for) has a team of lawyers far smarter than I am, or will ever be. I was presented with an opportunity. I read it over, thought about it. (*I chose to accept it as stated to me.)

Now I can decide I don't like the way things are going, so I'm going to get the government involved. The government can't do anything right, it can't even efficiently run itself. It could come in, twist Wests arm, and cost them millions of dollars in legal fees, fines etc...

West is a mulyti million dollar company. They are worldwide. They have ic's and call centers located all over the world.

I'm the CEO of West. all of a sudden I see my company having to pay huge fines, etc... Costs have skyrocketed. But only in my US operations. What do I do? shut it down, and shift everything to India where I can get workers for $5.00 a day. I saved West millions, West stock shoots up. bottom line IC's are a dime a dozen, and expendable/replaceable. You want good workers, but not if they are costuing you more $$ than they are worth.


no offense to anyone, it's just the way things are.
As long as IC's are profitable there will be plenty of work fo IC's. But if that changes...
It's supply and demand. It's capitalism.

Besides, since I chose to accept this job knowing full well how it operated. I would think I'd be partially liable for any money owed to the government, if there is any.
I pay my taxes, Uncle Sam is getting all that's due to him.

[spidrgrl]

Hi folks!

I work seasonally at a rather large tax prep company owned by a family member. I've seen exactly what the IRS can and will do.

First of all, please understand that the IRS does have a hotline you can call to report people for not paying their taxes and there is monetary compensation involved. I know that doesn't apply here, but it gives you an idea of exactly what the IRS will do.

Now, here's the thing: it doesn't matter if we argue until we're blue/green/purple about the IC/Employee thing because the fact is, in some cases, they're breaking the law. No one can argue with that, because the tax law clearly states it. I had one of our preparers find the information for me. The real question is, will the IRS do anything about it and how would it affect us?

Here's the next thing: Ethically, this is a lot like kids on a playground, playing baseball. There are set rules for baseball, but if you've ever seen kids play, they don't always follow those rules and sometimes make up their own. The question is, first, is it ok for the kids to not be following the rules? What if someone gets hurt because they weren't following the rules? What if the kids are no longer allowed on that playground because of it? Secondly, if Johnny goes and tells the teacher that his teammates aren't following the rules, has he broken their trust and "told on them" or has he saved them from getting hurt in the long run?

I'm not trying to exhibit bias in either direction, but I am trying to set this up as a representation of an ethical situation (hehe, I'm the ethics person at my seasonal job, too) that everyone can understand. Basically, it's just to make it easier to look at the situation and ask, "OK, what do *I* think?"